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Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks
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Author:  eXtr33m [ 12.12.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

I meant player KD is Kill:Death ratio and player KD actual is Kill:Death ratio in game.
//well the actual KD would be limited (or modified) because we dont want to have KD 13 (13:1)..

Of COURSE, we doesnt want to make machine which will know who will win.. we cant -> eg. AFAIK the engine doesnt support stats of healing, etc.
We just want the most precise autobalance we can..

Hmm the player KD maybe could be the one from the Maps stats (to be more precise -> how is the player good on this map), and of course count somehow skill too (because player with same ratios, i think the one with higher skill is better).
And yes a player could be switched only once per map, thats ok..

Author:  SvaRoX [ 12.13.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

AimMe wrote:
I said it, only once per map. Not more.

Autobalance is ran every 2 minutes, no one complain about that (except when they just joined, are switched quickly and get the "stats points will be removed" message hehe)...
AimMe wrote:
About actual autobalance, does it switch admins? Since i'm admin, i wasn't changed one single time...

...but you don't know about it cause moderators and admins are not switched :)
AimMe wrote:
First thing is teamwork. There are tons of examples, like two players at same house, both with medkit, can gave more than 2x better score just because they are together. Or humppa and uncle on same roof on ramelle. You don't want to be on another team, just because of these two. Second is current map, but weapon too. If i play with negev or spas, i surely won't fix teams. But if i'm in weaker team, i'll take lr300 or sr8 and can get up to 2 times bigger ratio.
Thirdly is what i said year before, "noble sacrifice". When i rush some place all players turn to me and won't watch enter to that place anymore, which leaves huge space for incoming players. Still you should take healing, tactical play, current mood and so of player. Player to player relationship can affect game to. I like to pwn natirips, and play with him, as i can tell him where to go or what to do.

Ok you are talking about causes which make you get a good ratio or a bad one. Let's say we keep thinking in the scope of what B3 is able to do and try to improve the gameplay, because I'm not sure anything else would be useful =)
The most interesting base components for the algorithm are probably :

=> Player level
- total kills and deaths
- total number of rounds played
- xlrstats skills value
- rank (based on xlrstats skills)
- time spent on the server for the current month
- total number of teamkills/teamdeaths
- number of kills and deaths per map
- current kills and deaths
- date of the last auto team switching

=> Server level
- current red and blue teams scores
- current map
- amount of time since the current round started
- amount of time until the round ends

I'm sure I forgot some... So here is the challenge : find the algorithm which will keep the teams balanced and players happy, you have 1 week :D
If some are interested I could write a basic B3 plugin to implement easily algorithms and test them.
AimMe wrote:
I hate to play against norma or svarox, as they have great aim

Thanks, good to read that :) :)

Author:  BEH [ 12.13.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

You just use special sneaky french cheats we dont understand, sva. :P

anyways: i read 'xlrstats' and then think 'hmm that isnt really reliable'
since i hav crappy stats and manage to shoot most of u, and b3 and autobalance also dont take into account good rounds/days bad rounds/days.. so basicly it will always be unbalanced for one reason or another.

But gl on that algorithm thingy.

Author:  SvaRoX [ 12.13.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

BEH wrote:
b3 and autobalance also dont take into account good rounds/days bad rounds/days

I think the current ratio is a good indicator whether your are in good or bad shape for a given round, at least it's the less worse.
BEH wrote:
so basicly it will always be unbalanced for one reason or another.

Except if admins and mods online think about switching to balance the game =) (and are able to...)
BEH wrote:
You just use special sneaky french cheats we dont understand, sva. :P

Still pissed of against french people cause of strikes ? :D :D

Author:  natirips [ 12.13.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

Btw, just a hint if anyone intends to ever write that algorithm: IMO K-D would be better than K/D because there's no division by zero and there is no 1:0 score meaning infinite ratio, or 3:1 (by a lame camper in a non-populated place where noone cares to kill him) being better than say 30:15.

Author:  draik [ 12.14.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

Quote:
Of COURSE, we doesnt want to make machine which will know who will win.. we cant -> eg. AFAIK the engine doesnt support stats of healing, etc.

Healing stats will be really good thingie and motivation for players to heal teammates.
Actually is it possible to make it?

Author:  natirips [ 12.14.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

Draik wrote:
Quote:
Of COURSE, we doesnt want to make machine which will know who will win.. we cant -> eg. AFAIK the engine doesnt support stats of healing, etc.

Healing stats will be really good thingie and motivation for players to heal teammates.
Actually is it possible to make it?
Game does not log healing, so b3/xlr can't find out about any healing done in-game.

Author:  BEH [ 12.14.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

maybe write a little code into the game that _does_ log healing? :)

Author:  Unclefragger [ 12.14.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

it's in the game code

Author:  BEH [ 12.14.10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Right-Enhancement for the "normal" (moderator) folks

natirips wrote:
Game does not log healing.

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